tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post6112795895822709698..comments2016-03-16T15:03:36.594-04:00Comments on The Word and God's Authority: Drinking Alcohol as a ChristianCaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14762397322658710952noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-16084817617586236442008-11-30T08:16:00.000-05:002008-11-30T08:16:00.000-05:00Thank you, Cary, I was really hoping someone else ...Thank you, Cary, I was really hoping someone else would quote that verse! ‘Abstain from all appearance of evil’ is what we should do at all times. Being a good Steward of our health and reputation means we must avoid such things as drinking and encourage others to do healthy things. Even a brown bottle of ‘old fashioned root beer’ could cause another to stumble (what if your hand covers the label), be carful and stay vigilant. Thanks for doing that.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-90965884820126592762008-11-28T07:43:00.000-05:002008-11-28T07:43:00.000-05:00Thank you for the comments. Non-alcoholic beer ac...Thank you for the comments. Non-alcoholic beer actually has alcohol. It has anywhere from .10 to .73%. It can also appear that one is drinking a real beer and could cause one to stumble or influence another that is trying to do the right thing. As I study the scriptures, the more I realize it is best to avoid any appearance of evil and that includes drinking alcohol.<BR/><BR/>1 Thess 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.Caryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14762397322658710952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-59494366372285852008-11-28T06:45:00.000-05:002008-11-28T06:45:00.000-05:00Cary, please post this one, I have been giving thi...Cary, please post this one, I have been giving this a lot of thought and it seems to me that there is no doubt that there are those who are profiting from the addiction of others. Why should we support them? And why should we not discourage others from doing anything that would cause them to be less than sober and vigilant. Anyone who can not put aside the selfish pursuits of temporary bliss at the expense of long term damage to self and others lives has a serious problem, is very immature and/or selfish and is engaging in self destructive behavior. There is a very good reason why the drinking age in our country is was raised to 21. I do not know of any reason why anyone should be allowed to drink to get drunk at any age. I have tasted alcoholic beer and I have tasted non alcoholic beer and I prefer the non alcoholic beer, same goes for non-alcoholic wine. Half a 12 once bottle of even the lighter beers make feel a little intoxicated, half a glass of wine does the same thing and I don’t like to be that way. I know it makes me and other people ‘feel good’ but it is poison and will have it’s way with those who give in to it and take it in. I chose not to take it in, I wear my respirator sometimes all day. I have to work around solvents and alcohols every day and I know the damage they can do to our bodies organs, brain and mind. I have seen many people fall ill because they abused their bodies and/or were never warned of the dangers. I have been working around some very serious toxins and potentially psychosis causing substances for almost 25 years. Today there are laws to protect people in the workplace from such things, because some people are ignorant and only are looking to increase their personnel profit even at the expense of others health and well being. I just can not imagine that people are so foolish as to consume alcohol and are addict themselves to it. They are doing it every day and it is costing us so much individually, as a society and a nation. The world is negatively effected by those who will not encourage others to remain sober minded.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-79952084376187475032008-11-23T11:52:00.000-05:002008-11-23T11:52:00.000-05:00The question was asked by 1. 'Fantabular' Why do C...The question was asked by 1. 'Fantabular'<BR/> Why do Christians offer other Christians alcohol?<BR/><BR/> I will attempt to provide an answer here in this public foram:<BR/><BR/> I know why most people who sin want others to join them in their sinning. It make them feel better when they are not the ‘minority’.<BR/><BR/> There are also some who should run and tell, if they can see someone doing something wrong then they will ‘run and tell’. Let’s get the problem out in the open and address the source. . . Shall we?<BR/><BR/> Who do Christians place stumbling blocks in front of other Christians? Could it be a test? Do they want to see how you will react? <BR/><BR/>What ever the reason it appears to have violated someone’s conscience and that is not good. Even a little bit of conscience violation hurts and can damage a brother’s and/or sister’s.<BR/><BR/> The one who offered the drink was wrong and should not do it again and that person should not be put into a position of responsibility as long as he is drinking and he should never offer it to others. It is HIS problem. . . who wants to join him?samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-72166905793714862462008-11-21T14:45:00.000-05:002008-11-21T14:45:00.000-05:00Another thing I failed to mention is that marijuan...Another thing I failed to mention is that marijuana sold on the streets is often tainted with banned substances and all kinds of trash. Some has been found with such things as arsenic added in large amounts. Some has been ‘laced’ with PCP and LSD and many others that I am not allowed to talk about. There are other drugs yet to be found and named. In short if you are in need of it for acceptable purposes; grow it organically or don’t grow it at all. And don’t let anyone know that you have it or are using it. Most of us don’t need it and we don’t want it given to us to ‘help us sleep’. You will need a permit and if you are going to use it for clothing, herb, oil, etc. . . you will need to grow some that has been altered to contain none of the mind altering chemicals that people have been getting themselves and others numb and stupid on. Noone wants to smell it and no one wants their surgeon or pilot to use it. Those who must pull up the illegal stuff in the field must wear protective clothing to prevent the drug from entering through their skin as many strains have so much of THC that it is hazardous to the workers ability to think clearly and function at their best.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-72474164002239147752008-11-21T13:40:00.000-05:002008-11-21T13:40:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-27162772987610605372008-11-10T08:46:00.000-05:002008-11-10T08:46:00.000-05:00I have also found myself in social settings with C...I have also found myself in social settings with Christians & have either been offered a beer, or saw a pack of beer when the fridge was opened to get out the sodas.<BR/>I can think of three times that this happened & there were common threads in all of the Christians who did this, they were either:<BR/>1-new Christians<BR/>or<BR/>2-weak Christians<BR/><BR/>All were in their early 20s. I've NEVER seen this happen with older "seasoned" Christians; it's always young ones.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I was uncomfortable about being offered it, or about seeing it in their fridge.<BR/>All my life, it's just been the way it is for Christians..."Christians don't drink". <BR/><BR/>I thought it was very immature & selfish of the person to offer me a drink, then jump into the "a little bit doesn't hurt" or "some doctors prescribe a little each day" or "they drink this like coke in other countries at dinner time".<BR/><BR/>The fact is, a little bit DOES hurt, my doctor did NOT prescribe a little bit each day for ME, and I do NOT live in another country.<BR/><BR/>If I had cancer & I was prescribed marijuana like some patients do, I would NEVER leave it lying around where people could see it when we had a Christian get-together. In fact, I think I'd be too ashamed to say I had ever smoked it. (not that I actually have, or ever will).<BR/><BR/>I'm a Christian, I live in America and I don't have a health condition; there's no reason for me to start drinking now, when only a little bit would make me drunk. And I have plenty to chose from when it comes to social drinks (coke, sprite, pepsi, mt dew, lemonaid, cranapple, water, dr pepper...the list goes on for MILES).<BR/>And did you notice that NONE of the drinks above make you drunk?<BR/><BR/>Why do Christians offer other Christians alcohol? If someone grew up in the church, by the time they're old enough to buy it, they should know that it's just not something we drink; in fact, it's offensive to others to drink it at social gatherings, everybody should know this...so why does this continue to happen?<BR/><BR/>I believe the answer is:<BR/>1-selfishness<BR/>and<BR/>2-immaturity<BR/><BR/>There are some issues that we need to stop beating around the bush with & we need to give a loud & clear answer:<BR/>Alcohol leads to several problems in the home & church and ALL Christians should avoid it. PERIOD!Fantabularhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15694192095603361739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-38880173687332485602008-11-09T06:59:00.000-05:002008-11-09T06:59:00.000-05:00Carry, I couldn’t agree more. I believe you did a ...Carry, I couldn’t agree more. I believe you did a very good job of pointing out what the scriptures have to say on the subject. It is clear that the Lord wants us to be sober minded in all things and not to be addicted to any vice. It is my assertion that although the scriptures do not specifically address all drugs or (“feel good pills” intoxicants, ect) we are not to use them or push others to use them. Those in leadership (and that includes all role models and those who are to set a good example are to be without anything that could control, addict, intoxicate or effects judgements.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-31229469393779053952008-11-08T09:33:00.000-05:002008-11-08T09:33:00.000-05:00All of these consequences and problems are nice to...All of these consequences and problems are nice to discuss but the important thing is to study the scriptures and see what is pleasing and not pleasing to God. We participate in many activities and necessities of life that can become addictive, sinful and have dire consequences if abused. Overeating, slothfulness, bad attitudes, etc. are other things that can be sinful in our daily lives.Caryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14762397322658710952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-86560908805947491252008-11-08T09:11:00.000-05:002008-11-08T09:11:00.000-05:00I have researched this one; If your doctor tells y...I have researched this one; If your doctor tells you that you should drink one class of wine or one beer a day. Ask him if him/ or her or his or her associates have a vested interest in a brewery or vineyard and get a second opinion.<BR/><BR/> One drink a day can make most people moderately addicted: That is the body and brain chemistry is changed by daily consumption of even moderate amounts of alcohol. According to the best neurologists “any more than three drinks a week and any more than one drink a day damages the brain.” <BR/><BR/>Although withdrawals from one drink a day is not life threatening, it can be quite annoying for the one going through it and those who must deal with that person. Anyone who works with a bunch of weekend drinkers knows what Mondays are like. Some who work and drink every day who can’t do it at work are ‘jonsen’ come quieting time. And it is not a nice place to be with them. <BR/><BR/>Better not to drink but if you already do and can’t cut back to one drink a week you might need to seek the help of trusted friends to help you break those old bad patterns and form some new good ones..samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-78714012818391908902008-11-02T06:55:00.000-05:002008-11-02T06:55:00.000-05:00If the one being who was offered the drink has bee...If the one being who was offered the drink has been drinking every day for some time it is possible that he has grown addicted and is going through withdraws from alcohol abdication. The bodies response to the sudden withdrawal of the toxic liver damaging drug of ethanol is not a pretty one. Like so many drugs that doctors and others prescribe to “make people happy” ethanol abdication if it has persisted for any length of time, may take some time to get off of the “stuff” and allow the brain and other organs to return to normal. Some of the damage will with proper nutrition ect., return to good health. Some drugs must be tapered off of gradually to prevent additional damage to the persons body and mind. During this time the person might appear irrational etc. but it will a temporary state. A safe environment free of stressful triggers with trusted and responsible friends who can devote their time and follow through with therapeutic support is what is needed. Old patterns are sometimes difficult to break and those people who helped develop those (bad patterns (for what ever reason) should be avoided by the ones they had influence over until they have stopped their bad ways and not allowed to influence in any negative way. Some are fortunate to have never known the influence of bad behavior yet as we become adults and enter the “real world”; there are many of the raging lion who are looking for those who are free of the influence of the good people of the church. They will attempt to make profit from those they can by addicting them to those substances (some even by forceful means if by no other way and they can “get away with it”) that makes promises to balance their brains chemistry and makes them “feel good” and more easily manipulated. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-57768789767250607602008-10-31T02:24:00.000-04:002008-10-31T02:24:00.000-04:00I would want to talk to that ‘new Christian’ with ...I would want to talk to that ‘new Christian’ with others and the one who was offered the drink. The importance of setting a good example should not be overlooked. Galatians 5:19 and the others say so much. . . when we begin to sin we have begun that process of and set a bad example to our children, our peers, and fellow members of the church. let us not sin in anyway. . . even a little sin begins the process and puts us on the road to death with those who are with us.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-68871084642909142102008-10-30T00:57:00.000-04:002008-10-30T00:57:00.000-04:00Do we get drunk on the food and drink as it is pro...Do we get drunk on the food and drink as it is provided in such abundance?samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-40545025536229011732008-10-29T05:02:00.000-04:002008-10-29T05:02:00.000-04:00The question is should a Christian drink of mind n...The question is should a Christian drink of mind numbing drink or offer another such a thing. Why do it? In some countries it is not uncommon to see people drinking in moderation with there evening meal and there may have been times and places were that was the only way to stay free of parasites and disease. But like you said Cary it is not necessary and the potential for harm is great. Friday and Saturday nights many will be pickling there brains and numbing there senses, to the point they will be a burden to us all if we allow them to continue in that bad way. Those who supply the drink are doubly to blame and I can not imagine that there are many if any Christian bartenders serving Christ or there fellow man. Those behind the counters at the store who sell “carry out” see the ones who are purchasing the stuff for self and others. Those who brew it and get rich and those who manufacture, grow the tobacco etc. etc. will pay a great price for there wealth and the taxes from the sell are an incentive to those who do not want to lose that. What are we to do? First we must understand the problem, the solution as I see it is not to support and thus eliminate the source!samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-40568781033732476142008-10-28T19:14:00.000-04:002008-10-28T19:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-54289138102953223782008-10-28T07:27:00.000-04:002008-10-28T07:27:00.000-04:00Thank you for your comment. I didn't touch on the ...Thank you for your comment. I didn't touch on the importance of setting an example and causing others to stumble. Granted...some people can drink in moderation and never be tempted to get to a state of a stumbling drunk. However, evidence and experience show that most will occasionally drink to excess and others could be led to addiction and terrible consequences. <BR/><BR/>The more I study the scriptures, the more I am sure that God does not approve of modern day drinking for any purpose. If you think about it, the whole purpose of producing wine and beer and liquor is to intoxicate the consumer.<BR/><BR/>I leave you with one passage:<BR/><BR/>1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour...Caryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14762397322658710952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6458350917393042034.post-57562909735834005432008-10-28T02:00:00.000-04:002008-10-28T02:00:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.samehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14101833920071819939noreply@blogger.com